The WaveMaps (trained presets) that you create are indeed impulse response filters (IR).
I would recommend giving it a try to anyone still on the fence here.Īn interesting thread, I thought I might take the liberty of chiming in with a bit more explanation of how our technology works. If you're using a piezo as your pickup, and you already like your amplified tone, the tonedexter most likely will make you like it a lot more. The bottom line is the tone coming out of your speaker. The Tonedexter is reshaping and adding some of the natural elements back into the mix, like the airy warm acoustic tone that a mic captures, but a piezo does not, plus, it's removing a lot of that artificial piezo quack that the pickup adds to it. Like Sevenyears said, using a piezo pickup is introducing an artificial element in the mix between the bass and the speaker that changes your tone. It does eq your pickup to simulate the condenser mic you are "training" it to, but it also adds "air" to your tone, similar to what a condenser mic sounds like. Jim May may or may not not be able to explain fully what it's doing, but this thing is definitely more than just eq. There is some science happening with the digital maps that is probably proprietary, and I certainly don't know everything that's going in in that box. I've been playing and gigging with my Tonedexter now for a few weeks. I am impressed its the demos enough to have put my money down. It does not function at all like a sampler, outputting a pre recorded "goal", but like an eq that is preset (in the case by "training") to get rid of some of a piezo pickups annoying qualities. Or perhaps you may have ended up in the street. If you change your starting position you may end up closer to the kitchen than when you began, but you will not be in the same spot as having started on the sofa. You go 17 feet straight ahead, turn left 90 degrees and go 6 feet, then right 90 degrees and 8 more feet.
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It is like making a map of how to get from your sofa to your kitchen.
That is why a "map" made for one pickup does not give the same results when used with another pickup. The ToneDexter is not a "sample" that you are triggering, but more of an eq "map" that is using the mic input in training as the "goal", and the pickup is being processed to more closely resemble that goal. What do others think?Īlthough I don't own one yet (one is ordered) you can safely go back to sleep. I'd love to just swallow it all and try this thing out (as Gollihur says, "Life is too short for bad tone!").
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In effect, your bass becomes a controller used to access a synthesizer/sampler patch of yourself! This seems like a long ways away from the "organic relationship" mentioned above.Īnd so I wrestle with this.
Here, you're using your bass to access an artificial electronic patch that you've created using your bass in another place at another time that "models" a combination of a mic you no longer need to use and a pick-up. Part of me feels like the ToneDexter is a left turn away from this. I think this type of "organic" relationship is what attracts us to this awkward, inconvenient, fragile, and expensive instrument (otherwise we'd all just stick to slab bass!). Despite these artificial interfaces, it's still just you and the bass, working together to try to create something beautiful. It seems as though up until now the search for a better amplified upright bass sound has followed a fairly straight path: microphones, pick-ups, amps, preamps, HPF's, etc., all introduced into the signal path between the bass and the outside world to amplify and enhance the sound of the bass as we play it in real time. But the fact that it does "change the game" is what keeps me up at night. It really seems like this little box is potentially a game changer in our eternal quest for an amplified bass sound that sounds more like our bass (MBOL). Like many of us, I've been following the discussion on AudioSprockets' ToneDexter with great interest.
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